Win System For Sale

[Win2Win]

I am now offering a NH system for backing winners for £25.

Full details are here... http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=jumping+for+profit

[podtog]

Keith, I think I read somewhere that these backing and lay systems were methods that have been systemized, correct me if im wrong, If that is the case then are they still pretty easy to follow, am interested purely because I suspect there will be fewer followers who will stick them out in comparison to the members bets.

[mathare]

The qualifiers can be identified in a matter of minutes Pod, it's all very easy

[Win2Win]

I said that without moving my lips :) Always said Mat was a dummy :laugh

The Flat Win system probably takes the longest, as you have to click on an extra button on the RP site! The lay systems are simple though, surprised I never thought of them! :rolleyes:

[podtog]

Thanks Mat, Like the look of these as a long term prospect.

[davidsteel]

Thanks Mat, Like the look of these as a long term prospect.


Yes PD they work:)

Paid for themselves already..

[Win2Win]

I'll charge more then :)

[davidsteel]

Lucky i already bought them then..:)

[mathare]

But Keith knows where you live David and he'll come round and nick your telly

[roma]

I'll charge more then :)

Nooooooooo ... I am still saving up :(

[davidsteel]

But Keith knows where you live David and he'll come round and nick your telly

i'll have to come rounds yours then to watch the racing:rolleyes:

I'll supply the beers..

[Iron Chris]

Just to add my own review, I have been testing both the Lay Systems in the Horses To Lay Section while I made sure of the selections and to just see the systems in action and I think it can be seen that,although it is early days, both systems are keeping up with the stats provided with them and the selections do not take much processing at all. I am going to start both systems properly from the start of May and hope to report good bank increases along the way...:D

I don't think any of the systems need 'selling' to existing Members or regular users of W2W as we all know that Keith is very genuine and wouldn't put systems out to us that didn't work..:wink :yikes: .. and he has been very helpful to me with both systems..:) ..but for people looking in I would say that you should expect these systems to do what they say on the tin and this site is one of the best around..:D

[vegyjones]

and this site is one of the best around..:D
Just behind www.footysim.co.uk :D

[peza2605]

so both the flat and nh systems work out selections in minutes and the only other site you need to look at is the racing post?

[Win2Win]

The lays you can use any paper, RP only for the win systems.

It only takes a few minutes to do all the cards.

[ray7]

It only takes a few minutes to do all the cards.

Took me less than 5 mins to do all todays flat cards.
Thanks for sending it through so quick Keith. :thumbs

[Win2Win]

Takes 5 mins to send my end on 33kb/s :yikes:

[andyp]

How long will this be on sale for keith?

[Win2Win]

I'm monitoring the selections against the markets. If I see any changes due to the systems, they will be withdrawn.

[andyp]

I'm monitoring the selections against the markets. If I see any changes due to the systems, they will be withdrawn.

I wish i knew what that meant! :rolleyes: :doh

[sparkyminer]

Glynners'll tell you.:)

[mathare]

I wish i knew what that meant! :rolleyes: :dohI loads of people buy the systems and take all the value out of the markets Keith will stop selling the system to prevent others buying a system that has become sub-optimal

[Win2Win]

I loads of people buy the systems and take all the value out of the markets Keith will stop selling the system to prevent others buying a system that has become sub-optimal
I wish I knew what THAT meant :doh

[andyp]

Cheers Mat

[andyp]

I wish I knew what THAT meant :doh

:laugh

[davidsteel]

Andy

I've bought both lay systems one bank is up 10% the other 16%, what else is there to be said..:)

[andyp]

Andy

I've bought both lay systems one bank is up 10% the other 16%, what else is there to be said..:)

11% and 17% would have been better! :D

[peza2605]

im undecided, i dont know which one of the win ones to buy.

flat or nh
flat or nh
flat or nh
flat or nh.

mmmmmmmmm decisions.

[ray7]

im undecided, i dont know which one of the win ones to buy.

flat or nh
flat or nh
flat or nh
flat or nh.

mmmmmmmmm decisions.

I`ve got the flat as it`s the start of the flat season and hopfully will be able to get the nh in a month or two before Keith stops selling them. Might also get the lay ones at a later date but the only lays I am doing at the moment are the golden lays.

[peza2605]

ok one final question to seal the deal, in the back to win ones on average how many selections per day?

[Win2Win]

They don't guarantee runners per day, some none, some days 5. Depends on time of year, number of meetings etc,

[peza2605]

i was concerned there would be too many.

looks like im gonna make a purchase.

[presto]

do you have any SR / ROI figures for the systems keith.

[ray7]

Full results on a spreadsheet. Download from the link on ebay

[presto]

cheers

[davidsteel]

11% and 17% would have been better! :D

They will be after today:wiggle:

[jonahjones]

Keith,

I have just tried to purchase "Running for Profit" but Ebay tells me there are none left.

Could you please put some more up?

Many thanks in anticipation.

[Jonny2621]

OK, I'm giving the Flat Layem a try, a question, as ive never read a racecard in my life ( i just lay what Keith tells me to :D ) is the 320 at Bev a qualifying race ?

320 Good Luck Philip and Annie Stakes ( Handicap) ( Class 3 )

Dumb i know but be gentle :D

[Iron Chris]

OK, I'm giving the Flat Layem a try, a question, as ive never read a racecard in my life ( i just lay what Keith tells me to :D ) is the 320 at Bev a qualifying race ?

320 Good Luck Philip and Annie Stakes ( Handicap) ( Class 3 )

Dumb i know but be gentle :D

No, not enough runners mate..:)

[Win2Win]

Keith,

I have just tried to purchase "Running for Profit" but Ebay tells me there are none left.

Could you please put some more up?

Many thanks in anticipation.
Should be up in a few minutes.

[Jonny2621]

No, not enough runners mate..:)

Doh ! :doh

Be prepared for my results to differ from everyone elses ! :D

[jonahjones]

Should be up in a few minutes.

Thanks Keith. :)

[Iron Chris]

Doh ! :doh

Be prepared for my results to differ from everyone elses ! :D

No worries mate, if you are just starting them you will soon pick them up, just make sure that you check all the criteria for each race..:wink :)

[Iron Chris]

The Flat Lay System had 3 selections in the 6:55 @ Yarmouth, all at the top of the betting, and a horse call Smile For Us certainly did as it beat all 3 for a clean sheet from 5 selections for me - one more was over the betfair limit so not layed..:)

[Jonny2621]

Just 3 for me first day as one was over the 10.5 cutoff and another i was stuck in traffic , but not a bad first day. I might even get the hand of racecards soon.

Ive had nearly two years of laying from a list, it makes you lazy :)

[davidsteel]

Just 3 for me first day as one was over the 10.5 cutoff and another i was stuck in traffic , but not a bad first day. I might even get the hand of racecards soon.

Ive had nearly two years of laying from a list, it makes you lazy :)

I know its a pain ah Jonny:D

Bank onFlat lays up 32.28%

NH Lays up 11%

Its all going well at the moment..:)

[Jonny2621]

i make it 6 qualifiers for the layem today without seeing the betfair odds yet, anyone confirm ?

TIA

[mathare]

Not checked the cards yet Jonny, I don't do 'em till lunchtime

[Iron Chris]

I have only got 5 today and 3 of them look like they might be over the odds as well..:)

[mathare]

Yep, I get 5 too

[Win2Win]

5/4...5/1....what? :doh

[mathare]

5 times as much rep as Vegy :D

[Nick777]

Keith

I want to get the "Flat win system" but ebay is a problem for me. Is there another way I can pay?

Cheers
Nick

[Nick777]

No worries Keith. Got it through ebay. Thanks

[Win2Win]

:doh :)

[wiseman33]

Ah finally found the right thread for this,make sure you double check selections as it is very easy to overlook something.once you get the hang of it is really is simple and doesnt take long at all

Hi everyone just thought i would give results of last 6 days of flat and NH system lays i purchased from kieth

If its ok with keith i can put race meetings and times obviously not selections eg Yarm 3.30 to cross reference they might vary slightly but could be a good starting point for us

Flat
strike rate 100%

starting bank laying to 1% of increasing bank
£250
Added
£25 cash as advised by keith

New bank
£317.00

Profit
£42.0 after comission

NH
strike rate
85%
starting bank laying to 1% of bank
£250.00

New bank
£254.00

Thanks wisey:wiggle:

[Nick777]

Just for confirmation. The WIN FLAT BETS for today, there is 1 qualifier in the 3h55 at Brighton. Is this correct?

Thanks:D

[wiseman33]

Lays for sund 30th

Ok here goes

Flat lays

Brighton 3.30

NH none today

Hope this helps anyone who isnt sure

Is this ok keith:wiggle:

[Win2Win]

Yes ONE in the flat Nick

[Nick777]

Looking forward to the next 5 years....thanks Keith....:rolleyes:

[Win2Win]

Yes Mr Wise......

[Iron Chris]

Lays for sund 30th

Ok here goes

Flat lays

Brighton 3.30

NH none today

Hope this helps anyone who isnt sure

Is this ok keith:wiggle:

Same as I made it, and of course it wins.. ;fire ::swear :censored:

[Win2Win]

Looking forward to the next 5 years....thanks Keith....:rolleyes:
You've already done 3 with the lays, so you know what you're doing :)

[wiseman33]

Yea iron chris it certainly did win,will post tomorow early as i can in this thread to compare wisey:wiggle:

[Win2Win]

I don't think any form has worked out today, one of those days.

[wiseman33]

Yea keith they do come along, had a storming week with the flat lays though so still well in profit :)

[jonahjones]

Flat Win System

First day following this system.

Bank starts at £200 staking 3% and recalculating stake after each day rather than after each selection.

1 selection - Sands of Barra - £6 matched at 2.74 - lost.

New bank £194.00.

[Blinkin]

Keith, do you by any chance accept Neteller?

[clotty]

I loads of people buy the systems and take all the value out of the markets Keith will stop selling the system to prevent others buying a system that has become sub-optimal

Does that mean there will come a time where the system won't work very well because too many people will have found out about it, either by buying it or word of mouth?

[mathare]

Does that mean there will come a time where the system won't work very well because too many people will have found out about it, either by buying it or word of mouth?Potentially, but then the same is true of any system

[Win2Win]

Does that mean there will come a time where the system won't work very well because too many people will have found out about it, either by buying it or word of mouth?
The chances of anyone 'nicking' the system and being patient enough to run it as a professional are close to zero, so we can count the freeloaders out. I will monitor them, but I've put in enough flexibility to handle a lot of money, especially the lays.

Remember they are all based on trends that haven't changed for year, and I've been punting them with my £1 :rolleyes:

[wiseman33]

Lays for monday

Flat

Wind
4.40

NH
Sed
3.50

There may be a few more just waiting a reply from keith over one of the rules

wisey:wiggle:

[Win2Win]

I'm now doing copies in Welsh, that should expand the business :doh

[jonahjones]

Flat Win System - Monday's Qualifiers

Kempton 3.15 - Cousteau

Warwick 4.00 - Alexian

Please feel free to let me know if I have missed any as I am doing these manually rather than through RSBnet. :)

[davidsteel]

Lays for monday

Flat

Wind
4.40

NH
Sed
3.50

There may be a few more just waiting a reply from keith over one of the rules

wisey:wiggle:

I also make the 2.50 a qualifyer
and two in the 3.50 wisey..:)

[peza2605]

Flat Win System - Monday's Qualifiers

Kempton 3.15 - Cousteau

Warwick 4.00 - Alexian

Please feel free to let me know if I have missed any as I am doing these manually rather than through RSBnet. :)

if id known you was gonna buy this system and post the selections id have saved myself 25 quid!!!:wink

still saves me checking the cards

[Win2Win]

Flat Win System - Monday's Qualifiers

Kempton 3.15 - Cousteau

Warwick 4.00 - Alexian

Please feel free to let me know if I have missed any as I am doing these manually rather than through RSBnet. :)

Typical scouser publishing the qualifiers :rolleyes:

[jonahjones]

if id known you was gonna buy this system and post the selections id have saved myself 25 quid!!!:wink

still saves me checking the cards

I know you work nights Pez and thought I'd give you a helping hand. :wink

Just doing my bit for the Win2Win community. :)

[jonahjones]

Typical scouser publishing the qualifiers :rolleyes:

Sorry Keith.

This will be my one and only time! :)

[peza2605]

thanks jonah:) :D

if you dont mind me asking what odds have you got or are you waiting a bit.
managed 1.92 on cousteau and 4.5 on alexian.

[jonahjones]

thanks jonah:) :D

if you dont mind me asking what odds have you got or are you waiting a bit.
managed 1.92 on cousteau and 4.5 on alexian.

Will probably wait until nearer the time Pez. Cousteau currently still trading at 1.92 but Alexian gone down to 3.95.

[wiseman33]

I also make the 2.50 a qualifyer
and two in the 3.50 wisey..:)

Am just waiting for an answer of keith about some criteria am a bit confused about he has answered already but as usual it didnt go in my thick skull lol so there probably is more :wiggle: yep you right about the 3.50 mate i checked a few times but keep missing things bloody hell am getting worse with age

[ray7]

I make it 3 on the flat win system 3.15 3.25 and 4.00

[markwales]

I don't think Adeje Park is a qualifier Ray..... not in top 8 2 runs ago. Feel free to correct me a) if I'm wrong, b) if I'm using a different system and c) because you can :D

[ray7]

Joint fav in that race is Jaad on the racing post web site.

[markwales]

Quite correcet Ray :D:D :doh

[Nick777]

I was messing round with the figures in the boxes and was horrified to see what difference a couple of percent here or there makes. If you take SP and give 5% commission with a £500 starting bank, taking 10% per year, staking 3% of the bank, profit over 8 years is just £1,800.

Just getting 5% better odds on bet fair gives you £20,000 over the 8 years. So it is critically important that you get a price better than SP. This in turn tells me that the way to do this is to put the bet on just before the off. If you can't then this may make a significant differnece to your profits.

Fortunately my commission rate is 3.75% so that helps me lots. Doubles my profit.

Just thought I'd pass this on........

and please don't post the selections on here....we've all paid our cash to get the system.....not having a go or anything.....:D

[wiseman33]

Hi nick would those stats relate to laying as well obviously depending on your stake etc thats a huge difference in profit wisey:wiggle:

[ray7]

and please don't post the selections on here....we've all paid our cash to get the system.....

Have to agree with Nick here and say sorry for my earlier post.:( With the win system could I suggest that from now on if we want to help each other we only post how many selections there are not the names or times, if we post the time its clear from the above posts which horse we are talking about.
So for example if somebody posts 3 today and somebody else gets 2 they know to look again.

[Nick777]

It won't take long to get it right, but I'm OK with saying how many selections there are, but I guess it is up to each person to decide how much they want to reveal.....:rolleyes:

[mathare]

I don't have lay qualifiers in the 4.40 or the 2.50 - but then that may just be because I am using Sporting Life for these

[Win2Win]

The SP & SL will differ with the odd races, but as long as you stick to the same site they average out.

Nick is right with his analysis, some of the figures you can workout are frightening. You can work out over 10 years how much comms you might pay :yikes:

[jonahjones]

Flat Win System - Day 2

Today's starting bank £194.00.

3 selections:-

Cousteau - £5.82 matched at 2.04 (SP 2.5) - 2nd.
Jaad - £5.82 matched at 2.88 (SP 2.74) - 3rd.
Alexian - £5.82 matched at 3.95 (SP 3.75) - 3rd.

4 selections since 30.04.06 - 0 winners.

New bank £176.54.

[Nick777]

I didn't get Jaad as a qualifier.

Tomorrow there are none, but a couple of close ones...:)

[wiseman33]

I don't have lay qualifiers in the 4.40 or the 2.50 - but then that may just be because I am using Sporting Life for these

Yea it is different using RP to sporting life,the lay selection in the 2.50 was 7/1 on RP but 12/1 on the sporting life so quite a difference.so it was a lay on one but not the other:wiggle:

[jonahjones]

I didn't get Jaad as a qualifier.

Tomorrow there are none, but a couple of close ones...:)

Just looked at tomorrow too Nick and can find none either.

If you look further up the thread, I didn't have Jaad as a qualifier today either as it was in a "grey area" as far as the selection criteria goes. It was joint forecast favourite but the other horse was not a qualifier.

Decided to give it a go anyway and it lost. I suspect that as long as you are consistent in these circumstances then it will even out over time.

I am sure Keith will clarify either way. :)

[Win2Win]

Joint Favs, can still be a qualifier even if the other is not.

[jonahjones]

Joint Favs, can still be a qualifier even if the other is not.

Thanks for the clarification Keith.

[wiseman33]

Nh lays

winc
7.10

Flat Lays

South
5.10

Kemp
8.24 2 in this one
8.52 2 in this one

Thank wisey

[Iron Chris]

Nh lays

winc
7.10 Another Winner :(

Flat Lays

South
5.10 Didn't Have This One - Just Checked, not enough runners.

Kemp
8.24 2 in this one I Only Had One - Just Checked, one on the price cut off.
8.52 2 in this one Had 3 In This One :yikes:

Don't know if you used Sporting Life for these as I used RP and I thought I had got the hang of it now...:doh :yikes: :)

[Jonny2621]

8.52 All three lose :D

[Iron Chris]

8.52 All three lose :D

:D :D :D

Was close but not close enough..:spinning

The Flat Lays set off like a train for me but then hit a couple of winners that took the profit away so today has put them back on track..:)

The NH Lays have been a struggle since going live with them..:rolleyes: .. and the winners from the last 2 days have put me in a loss so nned to make that up over the coming days..:(

[wiseman33]

Hi iron chris there was definetly 2 in the 8.24 do you take it to mean between the price guidelines or including both prices i think you are right with the others,i rushed this morning so done them quickly,i will double check next time i put them on as i dont want to be confusing people. a good day for the flat and the Jumps will change probs tomorow wis

[Iron Chris]

Not a problem mate, as long as we don't give anything away it is good to know that you are doing things correctly. The 8:24 maybe should have had two I think, though the second one would have been over the limit to lay in the end..:)

Hope you are right with the NH Lays..:wink

[wiseman33]

Just checked the Nh and it was defo a lay,it is so easy to miss something with these will take more time tomorow :wiggle:

[davidsteel]

Not a problem mate, as long as we don't give anything away it is good to know that you are doing things correctly. The 8:24 maybe should have had two I think, though the second one would have been over the limit to lay in the end..:)

Hope you are right with the NH Lays..:wink

Don't worry mate they'll come good:)

[Jonny2621]

Not a problem mate, as long as we don't give anything away it is good to know that you are doing things correctly. The 8:24 maybe should have had two I think, though the second one would have been over the limit to lay in the end..:)

Hope you are right with the NH Lays..:wink


I had two in the 8.24 but one was a couple of points over cut-off when i put them on, going pretty well thus far to fixed stake

[peza2605]

i make it one today in the flat win.

[davidsteel]

I make it 2..

[peza2605]

id better check again.

[Win2Win]

Getting the odd one wrong will make little difference over the long term.

[scaaty]

Just started the flat win system, and I made it just one today as well - I'm off to check again too :)

[ray7]

Just checked again and only get one.

[scaaty]

As far as I can see there's one qualifier if you're using SL but two if you're using RP ?

[jonahjones]

I've just got the one as well using Racing Post. Lingfield 3.30.

Which other race does anybody have?

Many thanks in anticipation.

[ray7]

Just been through RP for a third time and still only get one

[scaaty]

Sorry, my fault, you're right, just the one on RP too - I'd forgotten one of the criteria. Different qualifiers on the two sites, SL is in the 7.00 at Kempton. Not sure whether to back both or just stick to one site :doh

[Win2Win]

Stay consistently with the site you use.

[Jonny2621]

Two flat layems for me using RP

8.24 and 9.20 Kempton.

Anyone got different ?

[Iron Chris]

Agreed Jonny. although the 8:24 would have two according the RP card but one of them ran yesterday which rules it out.

[mathare]

Two flat layems for me using RP

8.24 and 9.20 Kempton.

Anyone got different ?I got quite a few with the SL.

2 in the 2.40 and 1 in the 4.10 at Nottingham with 3 in the 8.24 and 2 in the 9.20 at Kempton.

I really have major self-doubts about my ability to follow system rules when I read a thread like this

[vegyjones]

I though the RP was the recommended paper?

[mathare]

I though the RP was the recommended paper?I find the Slife website much easier to use and it's always open on my PC anyway. I don't like having to log on to the RP just to see the cards

[vegyjones]

I prefer the detail in the RP more!

But for my liking both sites have far too many bleeding pop-ups :mad:

[Iron Chris]

I got quite a few with the SL.

2 in the 2.40 and 1 in the 4.10 at Nottingham with 3 in the 8.24 and 2 in the 9.20 at Kempton.

I really have major self-doubts about my ability to follow system rules when I read a thread like this

I make the Nottingham ones having too many runners Mat..:)

[scaaty]

Stay consistently with the site you use.

Yeah, I know that's what I should do, and I will - just couldn't help a moment of doubt when I saw the other one!

[ray7]

Yeah, I know that's what I should do, and I will - just couldn't help a moment of doubt when I saw the other one!

Could run two banks one for each :)

[vegyjones]

Ray, any more sensible suggestions like that, and you will be banned :mad: :laugh

[mathare]

I make the Nottingham ones having too many runners Mat..:)I was excluding the NRs shown on the SLife racecard as I was putting this down to the stoopid 48hr declarations rule, thus reducing the number of runners to fall within the rules

[ray7]

Ray, any more sensible suggestions like that, and you will be banned :mad: :laugh

If it works with both sites as long as your consistant thats twice the profit.:REGamblMo
So does that mean you can get banned for making more money:yikes:

[vegyjones]

So does that mean you can get banned for making more money:yikes:
Err, YES!

I can ban anyone I like...

In fact, I might go and ban Keith! :D

[ray7]

Err, YES!

Looks like I will have to start backing your tips then. :D

[mathare]

Looks like I will have to start backing your tips then. :D'Back' them using the pink boxes on Betfair though :wink

[scaaty]

Could run two banks one for each :)

Ideal solution but unfortuately can't afford to start another bank right now :(

[Win2Win]

Err, YES!

I can bum anyone I like...

In fact, I might go and bum Keith! :D

You're a very strange lad at times :rolleyes:

[wiseman33]

Well spotted iron chris thats another thing i have learned,i would of had that as a lay.a bit misleading with the RP.i have 2 the same as you guys wisey:wiggle:

[jonahjones]

Flat Win System - Day 3

Today's starting bank £176.54

1 selection:-

Assertive - £5.30 matched at 2.69 (SP 2.63) - Won.

5 selections since 30.04.06 - 1 winner.

New bank after commission £185.03.

[ray7]

Last night Assertive was drifting slightly so I left an order at 5 for it that did not get matched. When I logged on this morning it was shortening so I took the price at the time. Got 3.3 so I am very happy.:wiggle:

[peza2605]

i got 2.86 on assertive,but if id put it on in the morning id have gotat least 3.4.

this is the only trouble i have,deciding when to place the bet as there was one selection the other day whos odds were a lot better at race time than the morning.

so what im gonna do is on my night off place the bet at race time ,and when i have work place it in the morning and go to bed and forget about it.

[Nick777]

FLAT WINS

I make it 3 selections for today. Anyone confirm ?

Cheers

[ray7]

Get none for today using RP

[peza2605]

none for me too,using RP

[scaaty]

Same here, none on RP and one using SL

[Nick777]

I'd better re-check....

[Nick777]

You are right chaps...got a couple of my numbers the wrong way round............no qualifiers for me

[wiseman33]

flat Lays for thurs 4th
folk
3.30
4.30
5.30 x3

Muss
7.0
8.30

Nh

her
2.40
3.40
hunt
6.15

A lot for today i hope i have got these right i have double checked them using RP picked these last night so some of the prices will have changed



Thanks ron :wiggle:

[Win2Win]

How can the F/c price change? :doh

[mathare]

Using SL I get:

Lay'ems
3.30
4.00 x 2
4.30 x 2
5.30 x 2
7.00 x 2
8.30

NHPM

2.40
6.15

[wiseman33]

Doh :doh i see what you mean i meant some have drifted out over our cut off
there seems to be a big difference beetween the SL and the Rp the only one i could see on the RP for the 4oclock was below the F/C price cut off.you are right mathare there is 2 using the SL what a difference using different sites :wiggle:

[Win2Win]

The RP is the best to use, but it is no use comparing the two as the F/c's are done by different people with different views of the race. The long term trends are still the same for both though.

[wiseman33]

Cheers kieth the flat is doing well at the moment using RP:wiggle:

[Iron Chris]

flat Lays for thurs 4th
folk
3.30
4.30
5.30 x3

Muss
7.0
8.30

Nh

her
2.40
3.40
hunt
6.15

A lot for today i hope i have got these right i have double checked them using RP picked these last night so some of the prices will have changed



Thanks ron :wiggle:

Totally agree ron...:wink :yikes: :D

[wiseman33]

Wahoooooooo finally i have got it right cheers iron chris :wiggle:

[tophatter]

Check again lads on the flat lays, Im not going to tell you what you have wrong because you have to learn :)

[tophatter]

Ignore that - I was Wrong! Doh!

[Iron Chris]

:laugh :laugh :laugh

Nice one TH...:wink :D

[Win2Win]

Is that positive or negatice rep for TH? :doh :D

[dpnorman]

Hi I am a new member as of today and I am unsure on how the systems work particularly the System Lays and false lays is it just back them all at a stake that your betting bandk allows or is there more to it?

Any help would be appreciated

Regards

Normski

[Vic]

Hold on to your cash Normski,till you've done a good bit of reading on the site. First I hope that you meant lay rather than bet for the system and false lays. When laying you need to be sure what you're doing or you will come a cropper at some point. Take a trip up to the members area of the forum, and have a good read. The Golden Balls section is the best starting point. Ask whatever questions you like up there and one of the regular layers will be along soon to give you the help you need.

[davidsteel]

Normski keep your money in your pocket until you've read what the more experianced guys have posted on here regarding staking etc..

All the best anyway..

[wiseman33]

hey tophatter if you need any guidence you only have to ask now dont be shy he he i will soon show you how to lose that bank of yours:wiggle:

[wiseman33]

:wiggle:

[Nick777]

FLAT WINS for today 5/5/06

I make it one qualifier. Anyone concur....(Racing Post)

[ray7]

Same for me Nick

[jonahjones]

FLAT WINS for today 5/5/06

I make it one qualifier. Anyone concur....(Racing Post)

I've got 2 in the same race Nick. Wolverhampton 2.00.

[Jonny2621]

Using RP no flat lay ems today for me, two winners dented profits yesterday but bank still up 9.64% since 27th April :)

[ray7]

Just rechecked and Jonah is right. Missed that one.
Thanks

[Iron Chris]

Agree with the Flat System Jonny and have 10 Selections on the NH System today..:yikes:

[Jonny2621]

Agree with the Flat System Jonny and have 10 Selections on the NH System today..:yikes:


Hows the NH lays going Chris ?

[Iron Chris]

I ran both systems as a test to start with so that i got used to the selection process and they both stood up fine. I have done them both live now for 2 weeks and after yesterdays two flat winners both are now slightly showing a loss..:( ... but I am still confident that they will come good..:)

[Iron Chris]

Nine losers from the ten selections with the winner being the shortest price of them all sees both systems only very slighty in loss and the strike rates nearly reaching the required level..:) .. hopefully things will move in the right direction now..:wink

[jonahjones]

Flat Win System - Day 4

Friday's starting bank £185.03

2 selections (same race):-

King Zafeen - £5.55 matched at 3.90 (SP 4.50) - 9th.
Scamperdale - £5.55 matched at 4.00 (SP 3.50) - Won.

7 selections since 30.04.06 - 2 winners.

New bank after commission £195.57.

[jonahjones]

Flat Win System

I make it just the one selection today at Haydock using the Racing Post.

Any advances?

[Win2Win]

Flat Win System

I make it just the one selection today at Haydock using the Racing Post.

Any advances?

I :hearty you....how's that for an advance? :doh

[ray7]

I :hearty you....how's that for an advance? :doh

We all love you as well Keith :hearty

Just the one today.

[Nick777]

Just my luck....I missed scamperdale yesterday. Must I include it in my results or leave it out ?

[Win2Win]

Leave it out, you only include those you back.

[Nick777]

Thanks :D

[jonahjones]

Flat Win System - Day 5

Saturday's starting bank £195.57

1 selection:-

One Putra - £5.87 matched at 2.12 (SP 1.80) - Won.

8 selections since 30.04.06 - 3 winners.

New bank after commission £201.81.

[jonahjones]

Flat Lay'em System - Day 1

Starting bank £200.00.

5 selections matched:-

Royal Challenge - £2.00 matched at 7.00 (SP 7.00) - 5th. :)

Peopleton Brook - £2.00 matched at 6.04 (SP 5.5) - 1st. :(

Signor Peltro - £2.00 matched at 8.80 (SP 8.0) - 3rd. :)

Dunelight - £2.00 matched at 4.55 (SP 4.33) - 1st. :(

Louie Louie - £2.00 matched at 8.40 (SP 7.00) - 6th. :)

5 selections since 06.05.06 - 2 winners.

New bank after commission £188.62.

[jonahjones]

I :hearty you....how's that for an advance? :doh

I would have preferred a cash one but it will do. :)

The feeling is mutual by the way - just don't tell Flossy.:yikes:

[Win2Win]

Cheeky scouser :D

[jonahjones]

On a slightly more serious note Keith, any chance of creating a new forum section/sections so as those of us who have purchased your systems may post our results rather than clog up this one.

Just a thought.

I know you're not busy or anything. :)

[jonahjones]

Flat Win Sysytem

I make it one qualifier today at Hamilton.

Flat Lay'em System

I make it two qualifiers today, also at Hamilton.

Both using Racing Post. Anybody got anything different?

Can you make another advance please Keith?! :)

[Iron Chris]

I made the flat lays 3 selections jonah, all at hamilton, but looking at the prices there is only one lay now..:)

[wiseman33]

How many lays did you have yesterday iron chris i had a few losers bank took a bit of a bash but it should even out again wisey:wiggle:

[scaaty]

[QUOTE=jonahjones]Flat Win Sysytem

I make it one qualifier today at Hamilton.

QUOTE]

Yes, I get one too

[jonahjones]

I made the flat lays 3 selections jonah, all at hamilton, but looking at the prices there is only one lay now..:)

I have just gone through the card at Hamilton again Chris to see what I have missed and found 3.

I then opened up notepad to look at which one I had originally missed and found that I already had the same 3. :doh

[Nick777]

I've got 2 FLAT WIN qualifiers, 1 at Hamilton and 1 at Salisbury.

:D

[scaaty]

I've got 2 FLAT WIN qualifiers, 1 at Hamilton and 1 at Salisbury.

:D

Just re-checked and can't find one at Salisbury - which race ?

[Nick777]

5h25 - I'll recheck - had beer when checking last night....

[wiseman33]

*

[Nick777]

You're right - my mistake...:butthead:

[Iron Chris]

How many lays did you have yesterday iron chris i had a few losers bank took a bit of a bash but it should even out again wisey:wiggle:

Had 3 Losers from 3 on the NH System which has now recovered into profit but had 1 Winner from 4 on the Flat System which is still in loss. Three other lays were over the cut-off yesterday.

Only one today on the flat in the end because of prices which duly lost to recover a bit more.

[Iron Chris]

On a slightly more serious note Keith, any chance of creating a new forum section/sections so as those of us who have purchased your systems may post our results rather than clog up this one.

Just a thought.

I know you're not busy or anything. :)

Something like this jonah..:doh :wink

http://www.win2win.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=333630#post333630

[Nick777]

FLAT WINS today

1 at Kempton, 1 at Windsor, and 1 at Wolves.

All those in favour say 'Aye'...

[ray7]

Don`t get one at Kempton

[jonahjones]

Don`t get one at Kempton

I haven't got one at Kempton either Nick.

By the way, Iron Chris has started a new thread for these. :)

http://www.win2win.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=39607

[Nick777]

Note to self: Must take more care when checking.

Thanks chaps. Will check on the new thread in future.

Cheers :D

[Nick777]

Keith.

On the flat win system, it is mentioned that the selection needs to be in the top 6 in the weights. If the weight is tied with the 6th horse then is it a qualifier?

e.g. horses 6 to 10 all have the same weight and the selection is number 10.

Let me know.

Thanks
Nick

[scaaty]

Was just about to ask the same thing Nick !

[scaaty]

Having thought about it I can't see why it wouldn't qualify so unless we hear different I'm going to back it! So I make it 3 qualifiers today, one of which is now a NR.

[scaaty]

Having thought about it I can't see why it wouldn't qualify so unless we hear different I'm going to back it! So I make it 3 qualifiers today, one of which is now a NR.

Whoops, no I'm not - doesn't qualify on one of the other criteria! Must be more careful :doh

Just the one to back today then.

[Win2Win]

Horses 1 to 6, doesn't matter what they are carrying.

[Jammey]

to whom etc.etc. sent monies over 1 week ago for flat and n.h. w2w win systems.also sent e.mail to w2w helpdesk,no reply. have paid and received your two w2w lay systems.if you have time please could i have reply,
jammey,
p.s. on covering letter sent with monies,i left out my username but added my e.mail address.

[Win2Win]

Jammey, I'm in Singapore so would not have received your letters until I return to the UK on Wednesday. As soon as I get back & check the mail, I can get them sorted for you.

I've just been through my records, and can't find an email from you, otherwise I would have replied within hours.

[Jammey]

cheers keith,
systems received as YOU PROMISED and downloaded,
wow i must be learning.
anyhow,thanks again.
cheers
jammey:wiggle: :) :)

[Jammey]

question. on flat sys,running for profit.is it h;caps non h:caps or both used.
cheers jammey

[scaaty]

question. on flat sys,running for profit.is it h;caps non h:caps or both used.
cheers jammey


I've been using both Jammey - as far as I can see there's nothing to say different.

Only been using it for a short time but it's going well so far :)

I make it one qualifier for tomorrow.

[Jammey]

scatty,thanks for your reply,
cheers
jammey

[ray7]

Recived Jumping for Profit. 15 mins from ordering to reciving thats fast thanks Keith.:thumbs
Just need a bank to run it with now.:yikes:

[jonahjones]

Quick question for Keith on the Jumping For Profit system. Apologies if this has already been asked previously.

In relation to the beaten lengths variable, does the horse have to have finished the last race or would "pulled up" etc. still qualify?

Many thanks in anticipation.

[Win2Win]

Pulled Up is not a distance, so no.

[jonahjones]

My thinking behind the question was that 99.9% of horses who pull up, fall or unseat rider will, effectively, have lost the race by more than the requisite distance.

Thanks for the clarification Keith. :)

[Win2Win]

Scousers :D

[John in Oman]

Anyone know the strike rate for the two laying systems for sale please?

Cheers John

[Win2Win]

It's in big letters at the top of the add :D Follow the links in my sig :)

[Profit Seeker]

When everyone's stakes are upto £117k as per the spreadsheet, do you still not think all value will be lost?

[Win2Win]

:doh They won't get that high if you read the full information, taking off comms & income, which is the point of doing it in the first place.

[Profit Seeker]

So do you have plans to sell any other systems on ebay? No doubt these are simply 4 of your hundreds you have going?

[Win2Win]

Not at the moment, it took months to prepare those, so any new ones wouldn't be ready till Xmas anyway.

[Profit Seeker]

Top two links both goto NH for profit. Can't get to flat.

[Win2Win]

I'm in the process of changing things around!!

[Profit Seeker]

It's ok i got there, remembered your ebay id from last time I looked, just wanted to download results was all. Isn't it amazing the difference just 10% overbet can make? Saying that, at those short prices when we're laying, we hope to overlay 5%. Do you think we can average 10% quite easily?

[Win2Win]

10% is achievable over time, but I'd say 12% is an average.

Updated all the bits now, the systems now have there own web sites :)

[Profit Seeker]

Up the overbet by simply 0.5%, so that's the same as getting 3.21 for your 2/1 instead of 3.2, and your bank has an extra 25% over the 8 years! :yikes: That really outlines the importance of prices does it not? Am I just being stupidly naive here or does that amaze anyone else?

[tophatter]

It dont amaze me PS as it is compound interest and 8 years is a long time. As I have said when I write my pro-losers diary the most important ratios are strikerate and average price of the winners and a shift in either of those can make a big difference longterm. Thats why I always bang on about following the rules and not skipping on and off when times are hard because if you make the strikerate lower by doing that it follows that you have to get the average price of the winning horse lower to compensate.

[Profit Seeker]

This is a great spreadsheet by the way! Might have only one staking plan but it's nice n easy. I don't suppose you have similar with a ratchet plan incorporated into it, basically the same but the stakes don't decrease?

[Win2Win]

Ask Mat :D

[mathare]

Ask Mat :DMat'll tell anyone interested to code it up yourself, it's easy enough :D

[Profit Seeker]

There's only 5 words of that sentence I understand. No worries.

[Street cry]

probably an if statement with a few of these in <>

[mathare]

probably an if statement with a few of these in <>No <> in VBA or Excel formulae

[Profit Seeker]

Any chance you can tell me how to incorporate a ratchet plan into the spreadsheet Keith uses on his ebay systems Mat?

[mathare]

Any chance you can tell me how to incorporate a ratchet plan into the spreadsheet Keith uses on his ebay systems Mat?I assume by this you mean x% staking or last stake if that is greater, yes?

Break it down into a series of simple rules and then create the formula using those rules.

1) if x% of bank > last stake then stake = x% of bank
2) else stake = last stake

Best to round your stakes off to 2 dp too using Round(stake, 2)

[Profit Seeker]

Where do I write that? I'm a complete novice.

[mathare]

Where do I write that? I'm a complete novice.Use the help functions in Excel to show you how to create a formulae in the stake column

[Profit Seeker]

Right thanks. :)

[Win2Win]

Buy VBA for Dummies, easy to learn, get a 2nd hand one from Amazon. It'll increase your career value as well.

[Street cry]

No <> in VBA or Excel formulae


i was refering in excel to < lesser than and > like this

=IF($J$20="","",COUNTIF($J$20:$J$1000,">0")/COUNT($J$20:$J$1000))

and not them both together like this <> just to prevent confusion :)

[Onlyforfun]

No <> in VBA or Excel formulae

Seems to work adequately in mine!:wiggle:

[mathare]

Yeah, not quite sure why I wrote that as it's a blatant lie :doh

[Street cry]

Yeah, not quite sure why I wrote that as it's a blatant lie :doh


:hoho: :hoho: :hoho: :hoho:

[mathare]

:hoho: :hoho: :hoho: :hoho:Dunno why you're laughing, it was several weeks before anyone spotted it

[Street cry]

was laughing not at what you put originally but found the "blatant lie" remark quite humourous

[Win2Win]

I always use <><><><><><><><><><><><> works fine!!