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[racehorse]

hello i have just set up this pc its second hand but it seems to be in good order. as i havent much experience with computers i was wondering if anyone here knows about ip address how do i know what it is and what is it used for . thanks.

[Win2Win]

This will tell you http://www.lawrencegoetz.com/programs/ipinfo/

It's your HOME address....as in...the same as where you live, except in computer speak. If you have a static IP (very handy) it will never change, if you haven't, it is different every time you login.

[racehorse]

thank you that explains it all to me. quick response to from the managing director appreciated but surprised. i was expecting another usual tipping site with all the glamour and promises but maybe this site is different i hope to get to chat with some people in the forum and ask there opinion. im relatively new to horseracing besides the pin in the paper for the grandnational and cheltenham etc i am an unexposed sort pardon the pun. anyway a couple of work mates are into the horses and i was keen to learn so the guy who gave me the pc also told me to look up this site . i have a lot of questions so i hope its gonna be a great help.

[racehorse]

i have a starting bank of 50 euro i know its small but i am not willing to give the bookies alot of my hard earned. now 1 pt is one bet yes so the 1 pt is a percentage of the bank i guess. so what percentage should i use with a 50 euro bank. what type of races should i look for and what type of races should i not bet on. also is there a cut off on prices . for instance if a horse like todays pay attention was 4/7 would it be pointless useing my 50 euro bank to back this horse at that price with the risk of it looseing.

[Littlegaz]

i was expecting another usual tipping site with all the glamour and promises but maybe this site is different
It is different. Enjoy it :)

[racehorse]

i also noticed on the home page something about a betting exchange is this the same as abookie like paddy power and boyle sport of whom i have an account with at the moment and if not what are the advantages and are they hard to use.

[racehorse]

il take your word littlegaz jesues i wouldnt like to meet you in a dark alley. im sure your a gentle giant.

[presto]

exchanges like betfair are superior in almost everything compared to the bookies.
- they give better odd's
- you can lay (back a selection to lose)
- trade
etc........

if you want to make betting pay, an exchange account is a must.

as for your bank.
E50 - so 3% per point = E1.50
the odd's don't matter much, if you are consistent - you back a 4/7 shot at the same 1point as a 4/1 shot (though if you go for big outsiders a far lower % per point would be better).

[presto]

il take your word littlegaz jesues i wouldnt like to meet you in a dark alley. im sure your a gentle giant.

he's not.
that photo depicts him eating a live guinne pig for a £5 bet :ermmm

[Littlegaz]

i also noticed on the home page something about a betting exchange is this the same as abookie like paddy power and boyle sport of whom i have an account with at the moment and if not what are the advantages and are they hard to use.
No, it's not the same as a bookie.

You bet against the bookie. If you constantly beat him (few do, but it happens) you'll find your account closed pretty sharpish. There may be one or two exceptions (others on here will be better placed to advise you than me), but that's generally the case.

With the exchanges (Betfair is by far the biggest player) you're betting with other punters - hence "betting exchange". The owners make their money by charging a commission on your winnings (generally 5% to start), so they are happy for you to win as much as possible. With a little bit of time input you'll often be able to beat SP and/or bookie prices, so in the long term your winnings will be greater even after the commission deduction.

[presto]

another tip:
don't let 'vegy' go anywhere near your dark ally :butthead: :yikes:

[Littlegaz]

he's not.
that photo depicts him eating a live guinne pig for a £5 bet :ermmm
Oi! It was £10, and a gerbil for dessert :D

[bigmazey]

Racehorse,

I have been using this site for just over a year and i have learned a lot from it. There are a lot of good genuine people on this site who have a lot of experience and advice.If you look through a lot of previous posts in certian threads like bets and racing explained then you should start to understand a lot more about racing and gambling.

Start off by reading this Golden rules (http://www.win2win.co.uk/forum/../golden.html) and sticking to these rules and you shouldnt go far wrong. I still haven't carried out rule 10 but I am seriously thinking about it.

Within your bank you should have a percentage for each bet for example 2% of your bank for each bet.

So you would be backing 1 euro on youe first bet. If you done well enough to win your first bet say at (10/1 well that would be lucky or good studying perhaps) then your bank would then be 60 euro and your next bet would be 1.2 euro and so on this means effectivel you can sustian lonf losing runs

The percentage of your bank also depends on strike rate( how often you win. Favourites obviously have a higher strike rate than 33/1 shots so you would possibly increase your bank to 5%.

e.g. I have a favourites system (http://www.win2win.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=42544&page=3) at present were I use a 5% of the bank for each bet as it has a 50%+ stike rate.


Hope this helps you and as someone in the know said you can get 5% interest a year from a bank so if after a year you have turned your 50 euro into 65 euro you have made a whopping 30% interest with a lot of fun and satisfaction into the bargain.

Good luck in the Future.

BigM

[racehorse]

ha ha cheers guys. so if the horse is 50/1 or 4/7 just use the same percentage thats good. what happens if i see a big gamble going on should i then increase my stake or keep it at the same level.? also when laying as i see on the home page the golden lays are pretty good should i have a separate bank and stick to a percentage aswell or should i just use the one bank and is this correct if i decide that i want to lay pay attention at 4/7 at 1 pt does this mean im getting a price of 7/4 and is 1 pt still 1.50 when i place the bet or does it cost me more.

[bigmazey]

Oi! It was £10, and a gerbil for dessert :D

He nearly Bust a bloodvessel eating that gerbil.:splapme

[racehorse]

wow just from reading those few post im very excited i cant wait for the raceing to start tomorrow . i honestly have a good feeling about this i realy enjoy the game ive always loved horses of any kind now maybe i get to make some money to cheers. i am from a town called waterford in ireland and there is a trainer called eoin doyle lives down the road from me everybody knows him and word is he has some good horses in training at the moment some of my friends know him very well so im sure of a few tips if i get them i will post them here straight away.

[presto]

all people in waterford must do is make crystal and gamble :wink

the golden lays could be a good intro into 'laying' to start off with £2 stakes would be advisable.

[TheOldhamWhisper]

wow just from reading those few post im very excited i cant wait for the raceing to start tomorrow....

And the very best advice I can give you is STOP! :yikes:

Actually, slow down is more appropriate :)

If you simply rush in with all guns blazing, you'll be left with very little in no time at all. This betting game is all about spotting the right opportunity and making the most of it.

All of the systems on here are tried and tested for months (if not years) to give you a profit over a period of time - but that period is not a week! It could be over the full year and using the wrong stakes early on could break the bank before the first winner arrives (unlikely but I have seen it happen).

Take a little time to have a good read on the forum and on the main site pages. Then work out a strategy (including what's going to happen if the absolute worst case happens). If you are then keen to 'get on with it', at least you will be doing it knowing the potential consequences.

:happyboun

[wb]

Welcome to the forum racehorse.

I'd echo what TheOldhamWhisper has said, and start things very slowly indeed. First things first, you need to decide what you are going to bet on. Are you going to try to learn to pick horses yourself, or are you only interested in following other peoples selections? I'd hazard a guess that it is both. The main thing to learn is that making money in this game is a very long, time consuming process- but can be also very fulfilling. Try your best not to think of racing as a daily/weekly or even monthly battle. It really is a long term thing, and it will probably take you a good while to get the hang of things. Personally, I would not reccommend laying to start out, as it can be a quick way to the poorhouse if you don't know what you are doing.

That said, you may be just interested in betting for fun, and not take it too serious at all. There are plenty of people who bet just for the enjoyment of the sport. Whatever you do, dont spend money you can't afford, and keep your stakes at a sensible level.

The guys on here are very helpful, and there is almost always someone here to answer your questions promptly.

[racehorse]

ok ive looked at the races for tomorrow jesues there is a lot of races i never realised how in depth one could go but any here is the problem i looked at tony mcoys rides for tomorrow and i think his three rides have great chances but i will just back princelet. any 1 tell me why mick fitzgerald isnt on this one. in punchestown i think i will back windy harbour in the last although i think rock street could be good for mr tyner as he has no other horses at the meeting either. in warwick i like paddy tern for mr n babbage although have checked the trainer form for 2005/2006 and its disgraceful but i like the young jock he has and another with only one horse at the meeting. wetherby is a difficult card but i think needwood spirit has a great chance in the first and that jockey gave a fine ride to norton sapphire today aswell only has one ride. and finally in lingfield i think hadden frost has two intresting rides one for sheena west and one for richard hannon. there it is now all i got to do is wait for the returns i hope. if any one wants to help me out on my first big day feel free .

[Win2Win]

Hint: Use Paragraphs.....makes reading easier for everyone....
Presto: Your CAPS LOCK broke as well? :laugh

[racehorse]

thanks oldhamwhisper and mr wb i will take that advice. im in this for fun but also to see can i make a profit long term its a bit like this to me if you have a jar at home and most people do then its great fun at the end of year counting how much you have saved and you would be surprised at the amount you have in it its a great buzz. also it beats going to bank or credit union or post office and standing in line with sweaty farty people tp put in the 20 euro that will earn pittance anyway its a way for me to see if i can make a sum of money from 50 euro into whatever no matter how long it takes wouldnt it be a great buzz in 10 years time if i looked in my account and said wow from that 50 euro ive got 1000 or 100 or watever .

[racehorse]

sorry about that actually is there spell check here aswell .

[bigcumba]

standing in line with sweaty farty people .

Believe me, they're here as well... :laugh

[Fadetoblack]

sorry about that actually is there spell check here aswell .

Download the dictionary add on for firefox.

[Win2Win]

If you click the ABC button, top-right in the edit box, it links to a free plugin. It doesn't stop Presto from posting crap though :laugh

[presto]

i am allowed another 7640 crap posts before another 'good post' as historical 'good / crap post quota' goes. :)

[bigcumba]

i am allowed another 7640 crap posts before another 'good post' as historical 'good / crap post quota' goes. :)

blimey it's just as well Vegy keeps the quality level up! :laugh

[plater]

if i can make a sum of money from 50 euro into whatever no matter how long it takes wouldnt it be a great buzz in 10 years time if i looked in my account and said wow from that 50 euro ive got 1000 or 100 or watever .

Welcome racehorse, remember your money in a bank account etc is pretty much safe even if low returns, betting on the other hand is a volatile business and your 50 euro's could well end up in somebody else's pocket.

As has been posted above, read all the post's you can find then read them again, I would go along with Oldham and say stop, if you paper trade the selections you have chosen for tomorrow and for a reasonable period (500 bets) thereafter and show a steady profit then you may well feel you have a grasp of the game :D.

I have been "investing" in the GG's for 30 or so years and thought I knew most of what is required, but after Joining this Forum I found a wealth of information on systems and discipline that I now use effectively for the fist time in all those years :yikes:

[racehorse]

well here it is everybody my first day on the job so to speak. i have set myself up with at the races and racing post also the daily star.

does any1 know anything about a station called sportslive radio i have it here on the net is it any good and do they give out best bets for the day and so.

[bigmazey]

William Hill radio is really good it gives commentary for all UK racing and lots of information and they have live studio tipsters giving you their fancy for every race.. Beware if you are betting in running there is about a 50 second delay in the commentary

[bigcumba]

I rarely listen to the net radio broadcasts these days but WillHill's is my favourite - usually quite funny as well!

[bigmazey]

Some of just have Council telly and our only access to racing through the day is net radio.

[racehorse]

my god ive just got in looked at the results nothing nada zip wat a rubbish day. i noticed the tips on the home page didnt do well either does this generally mean it was a hard day racing.::yikes:

[presto]

good days, bad days, fantastic days, terrible days - all part of gambling, you will see many of each, but the old advice of - don't be disheartened by bad days and don't let good days go to your head. sums it up well.

[Littlegaz]

my god ive just got in looked at the results nothing nada zip wat a rubbish day. i noticed the tips on the home page didnt do well either does this generally mean it was a hard day racing.::yikes:
LONG TERM mate.

Not days, not weeks, not even months. If you're in profit at the end of the year you're doing something right.

Look at the annual results for the systems. Look at Top Hatters diary. If you're going to "feel sick" after a bad day then betting isn't for you because there will be plenty of them.

[racehorse]

thanks for the advice but i suppose you are right .
its just i actualy had a good look at my selections again and i was sure i would get a return today.

im almost tempted to start backing on the evening meeting in wolverhampton
trouble is in most of the races i think there are about 5 horses that have a chance. i will have 2 bets 1pt on the norwegian and 1pt on diamond katie .

[bigcumba]

im almost tempted to start backing on the evening meeting in wolverhampton.

that's the bit to be wary of - you've lost a bit today and might be tempted too easily into chasing those losses. The big problem arises if that actually works, then you get over confident and try again, taking more and more risks, then it inevitably goes pear shaped and you lose the lot. If you don't have something for the Wolves races that you would normally bet on, leave it alone, go out, watch telly, just stay away from the betting. That way you have a something left for tomorrow.

[racehorse]

thanks for the good advice

[racehorse]

i aint haveing a bet tonight i will wait till i realy fancy something or get a decent tip and bring the bank back to 50 euro cheers

[tophatter]

You have to be able to lose at horseracing in order to win money. Its the only way because you have the law of strikerate and statistics to contend with and your job is to turn those obstacles into the tools that ensure you can make a profit.

[bigmazey]

Its not worth it . Come back tomorrow. Been there, done that, doesn't work. I haven't won today but last year I was up £150. This is a first only because I am more disciplined now.I am not totally disciplined still have mad moments but the fun bets and days chasing my loses are slowly decreasing. i have worked out i would i would have been up a further £600 if i cut out the chasing,stupid bets,trying systems live, foreign betting(Know nothing about). I could had a years profit of around £750 if i had been more disciplined.

I know what bets are profitable for me now. I know some systems have worked over the last year.Now I am sticking to the tried and tested methods and testing systems before i go live.
Work at the discipline. Its up to you in the end.Its all about controlling the ego.

[racehorse]

sods law norwegian would have replaced my losses. ah well its good advice though discipline seems to be the key. :ermmm

[wb]

sods law norwegian would have replaced my losses. ah well its good advice though discipline seems to be the key. :ermmm

It's all long-term that counts racehorse. Try your best not to set yourself daily goals. (Such as 'I plan to make €25 today')... It never works out in the long run, and you will start betting on races you never would have otherwise.

I'm sure you heard the phrase 'quit while you are ahead' before.....


Well, if you want to get serious about racing you will also have to familiarise yourself with the phrase 'quit while you are behind'.

There will be lots of losing days, and its the ability to take it on the chin that will make you more successful.

Best of luck.

[Duritz]

I just read through this thread, start to finish... It was like reading a script for a stageplay - when racehorse picked out his selections at the Wolverhampton meeting, then decided not to bet, you just knew one would win lol. Sorry racehorse, nothing personal, that's just another thing you'll have to learn about the punt - Murphy's law is alive and well.

[bigcumba]

Murphy's law is alive and well.

Oh yeah, of that there's no doubt! :)