doing some homework

[racehorse]

hello everybody decided to study some form today but am not very good at it at the moment as im still learning .

ive picked the first race at plumpton ive looked at the horses and between the first three in the betting first thing is the top 1 malakiya has top weight and the ground is soft this would make it harder to carry the weight . if im wrong please tell me . second thing is the bottom weight horse has a rateing of 84 in my paper thats the same as the top 1 so with the weight difference signs of love should be ahead of malakiya.

when i look at jockeys and trainers we have ap/jon jo in great form
ruby an nicholls great form
n chance is in an out and i dont know much about the jockey.

finally the money is there for artadi but he hasnt run for 80 days and was pulled up in his last so with that ive got to go with artadi because its a cheap race horse off 80 days pulled up with something wrong they have fixed this now and have him in the race for a return win.

[racehorse]

oh yes could some 1 else analyse it for me so i can get some pointers

[racehorse]

typical ha ha

[bigmazey]

Looks like you have a lot to learn racehorse. Because a horse has topweight is for a reason. It is rated the best horse in the field if a handicap.Malakiya was topweight today because it was carring a penalty of 6lb for winning last race Because it is soft doesn't mean topweight is at disadvantage because all other horses are running on same going. You need to look at past form to see if a horse acts on a particular going. If it has run on that going well on a couple of occasions then this is a good indication that it acts on this going.

Hope this helps a bit.

i am by no means an expert in reading form but i am learning all the time.

[racehorse]

ok next piece of homework i watched the market today for the first race in wolverhampton my on line bookie slashed the price of post master and spy gun and had the favourite at 9/4 yet doctor cave wins and balerno second with seldomosa 3rd they barely touched the price of the winner but shortend it a little. none of the gambels got a place.

the same type thing is going on a plumpton 3.15 is it possible my bookie can slash a price on any horse he likes to make it look like a gamble or even shorten the favourite more and then hide the real money comeing for a horse like not move its price.

example 250.000 pound win on a horse at 10/1 bookie doesnt move the price insread he hopes that if he moves the favourite in more he will land more money by everyone backing it more because it shortened however he knows the 10/1 shot is going to win.

[racehorse]

in this case i got lucky and landed a win with the gamble on migwell but in wolverhampton i had abet on spygun from 20/1 4 and it didnt get a place i would hope my bookie isnt pulling fast ones.

[racehorse]

in the next in wolverhampton again same kind of thing gamble on grey report the favouite now 6/5 glory days 9/4 then all the rest are pushed out

[racehorse]

i think liquid lover will get a place at 100/1

[racehorse]

again the favourite touches 8/11 the winner was 33/1 out to 50/1 i realy dont understand this market if the trainer put his horse in with a good jockey g.baker would some one in the yard not have had a bet on it to bring down his price.

[Fadetoblack]

For a while Racehorse it's probably best to avoid maiden races altogether. Stick to handicaps and listed races.

[racehorse]

ha ha thanks fade you have brought up my next subject types of races maidens handicaps chases listed races il do some searching first on these before i ask some silly questions . i would like an opinion if any1 has one though on the market moves thing and can the bookies play the marketetc.

[racehorse]

ps thanks bigmazey for the reply ive looked into what u said im more aware now cheers mate

[bigmazey]

There's a great explanation of types of races here. (http://www.letsbet.ie/sports/horse_racing/types_of_horse_race)

Hope this is helpful to you racehorse and i do hope I'm not breaking any rules.

[truodds]

spy gun has had 1 2nd place in 25 attempts at wolverhampton'
at southwell 2 wins & 4 2nds in 20 attempts.
bookies cutting the price on this horse at wolverhampton are getting the holiday money in the carrier bags.

[wb]

Don't get too carried away with the market movers. Try your best to find your own selections. It is widley known that following the money shows a loss over the long term (because the high prices have been mopped up by the time you get on)

It is probably best to stay away from races such as maidens/apprentice races/claimers/sellers etc. when starting out.

Stick to the top quality races until you get an idea of how things work. (The higher quality races will have a lot more form to go on, and will get a lot more media attention. Try to pick out the likely winners, then have a read of the reports in the Racing Post, and see if you are on the right track)

Races such as Group Races, Listed Races and High class Handicaps would be a good starting point.

[racehorse]

morning everybody thanks for the help. i take it so that bookies can cut a price of a horse if they want to they dont have to have a reason.

[wb]

morning everybody thanks for the help. i take it so that bookies can cut a price of a horse if they want to they dont have to have a reason.

The early prices that you see displayed on the boards in the morning time are set by the individual bookies. They can put up whatever price they like, and you are free to take it if you want.

Around 15 minutes before the race, another set of prices will go up. These prices are determined by what goes on at the track, and are not set by your local bookie. A team of officials makes note of the average price of each horse across the track. If a big gamble is made on track, the on course bookies may slash a price, and the new prices will be fed to your local bookie. At the off, the average price that the horse was trading at on track will be it's SP (Starting Price)

However, nowadays, most on-course bookies are keeping an eye on what is going on outside, and are watching the exchanges closely. It wouldn't put it past an on-track bookie to slash a price and try to create a false gamble.

[racehorse]

thanks wayne