Pro-Losers

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I mentioned the other day that a lot of folk over the past few months have been asking for them. I initially dropped them as it was difficult to 'newbies' with high commission to profit.

I've now spent the last few days going over a lot of data and have completed the NH, and will publish them here for free around 12:30pm....until I get time to add some code to automate it all on the site anyway.

I actually went back to the systems I used in 2002/03 (I dispose of nothing), and re-run them all seeing how they'd managed the last few years, one had actually shown a profit to WIN bets the last 2 years :yikes:, some had just flopped, but around 50% still produced the goods after all this time. I've made a few minor adjustments to take account of the changed racing scene & new SP system over the last 2 years, but apart from that they are the same.

I know a lot of folk enjoy laying, and these should throw up a lot more qualifiers than the Max Lays, although they are in good profit concidering the number of selections per week.

I'll work on the flat after Cheltenham has finished.

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Cut-off: 10.5

Pro-Losers Mar 11, 2008

2.00 CHL CAPTAIN CEE BEE

2.50 SED SUPERIOR STAR

3.30 SED MORE EQUITY

4.15 SED PRIMUS INTER PARES

4.55 SED DEVIL'S RUN
4.55 SED JUST IN DEBT

5.20 CHL RIVER LIANE

5.30 SED DENVER GOLD

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1.40 HUN LADY PILOT
1.40 HUN MONDIAL JACK

2.15 HUN GRANTSVILLE
2.15 HUN KERRIEMUIR LASS
2.15 HUN PEACEFUL MEANS

2.50 HUN SOUND OF CHEERS

3.30 HUN TAKE IT THERE
3.30 HUN ESCOBAR

4.15 HUN STARS DELIGHT

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Didn't post yesterday, was not well at all. Just happend to be 100% though didn't it with 5 losers :splapme


FLAT Pro-Losers Mar 14, 2008

12.30 CHL REFINEMENT
12.30 CHL SWEET KILN

1.05 CHL FORPADYDEPLASTERER

2.00 LIA SEDUCTIVE WITCH

3.05 FAK TOP GEAR
3.05 FAK ROSIE'S GLORY

3.45 FAK ROMANY DREAM

4.05 CHL LORD OF ILLUSION
4.05 CHL TWENTY DEGREES

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Due to illness I'll keep posting these here for now:

FLAT Pro-Losers Mar 15, 2008

1.50 UTT BEST PROSPECT

2.25 WET SILVER SEDGE

2.45 NCL MACCHIATO

3.00 WET PAGAN SWORD

3.20 NCL STORMY BEECH

4.35 UTT FOLY PLEASANT

5.00 NCL CRIPSEY BROOK

5.35 NCL BUCKSTRUTHER

5.50 WET OUR BRIAN
5.50 WET FRIEND TO ALL

6.50 KEA VENI BIDI VICI

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Pro-Losers Mar 18, 2008

2.50 EXE MONSIGNORITA

3.20 EXE MARVELLOUS DREAM

3.50 EXE SUPREME CARA

4.40 WAR CROC AN OIR
4.40 WAR JALOUX D'ESTRUVAL

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Pro-Losers Mar 19, 2008

2.10 CHP PENTASILEA

2.20 MAR STORM PRINCE

2.40 CHP SPEED VENTURE
2.40 CHP SHARE MY DREAM

2.50 MAR JAMESTOWN BAY

3.15 CHP DUNDRIDGE NATIVE

3.25 MAR CLOCKERS CORNER

3.50 CHP OPAL RIDGE

5.00 CHP BROWN FLYER

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Pro-Losers Mar 22, 2008

2.55 NWT FAIRLY HIGH-X

3.00 HAY BOBBY BULLOCK-L

3.35 HAY DONOVAN-L
3.35 HAY SOLWAY BEE-X

4.05 NWT KRISTOFFERSEN-X

4.15 CAR MRS O'MALLEY-L

4.50 CAR HOLLOWS MILL-X


3L/0W
+3

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Pro-Losers Mar 23, 2008

2.10 TOW EARCOMESTHEDREAM-L

2.30 PLU BIG PADDY-X
2.30 PLU PORTRAIT ROYALE-X

3.00 PLU SOMEWIN-L

4.10 PLU SLO MO SHUN-X

4.20 TOW MISAMON-X

5.10 PLU JADES DOUBLE-L
5.10 PLU ALDERBROOK GIRL-X

5.20 TOW CLASSIC CHIC-L


7L/0W
Profit/Loss: +7

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Pro-Losers Mar 24, 2008

2.05 FAK WICKEDISH-X

2.10 HUN GREEN PROSPECT-L

3.00 CHP JUPON VERT-L

3.55 HUN LIDJO DE ROUGE-L

4.10 CHP SCHINDLERS SON-L

4.25 FAK ART VIRGINIA-X

4.40 WAR NEW MINERTON-L

4.45 CHP SABREFLIGHT-L
4.45 CHP DERE LYN-W 4.0

5.30 RED MUJINDA-L

5.35 FAK FALCONS THEATRE-X

5.40 HUN BURNSWOOD-L

14 L / 1 W
Profit/Loss: +10

[tophatter]

having a dabble on these with a fledgling bank.

[Win2Win]

having a dabble on these with a fledgling bank.
Would that be Bears or Northern Rock? :rolleyes:

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Pro-Losers Mar 25, 2008

2.20 FON AYA-x
2.20 FON MARKILA-x

3.20 FON MISBEHAVIOUR-W 4.0

4.05 SED SANDS RISING-x

14 L / 2 W
Profit/Loss: +6

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Pro-Losers Mar 26, 2008

2.30 NCL ABERDARE

3.05 NCL AUNTIE KATHLEEN
3.05 NCL SANDS RISING

3.40 NCL WELL DISGUISED

3.50 KEM MEXICAN PETE
3.50 KEM HERECOMESTANLEY

4.15 NCL HAZELDENE
4.15 NCL JORVEYBROOK

4.25 KEM SCHINKEN OTTO
4.25 KEM ROMANY DREAM

5.00 KEM SUMMER OF LOVE

5.20 NCL WAS I RIGHT

5.30 KEM SILVER DOLLARS

5.50 NCL THE HONEST FIDDLER

17 L / 2 W
Profit/Loss: +9

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Pro-Losers Mar 27, 2008

2.10 AYR POSH STICK

2.20 EXE FOREST LASS
2.20 EXE WATCH OUT

3.10 AYR PRINCE MOUSE

4.25 EXE GONE MISSING

4.50 AYR JEFERTITI

18 L / 3 W
Profit/Loss: +0.5

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Pro-Losers Mar 28, 2008

1.40 NBY EL ZORRO
1.40 NBY STARBURST DIAMOND

2.00 LIA BLUR

3.15 NBY PEACEFUL MEANS

3.25 WOA LITTLE KNICKERS

4.00 WOA KARMA LLAMA

19 L / 3 W
Profit/Loss: +1.5

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Pro-Losers Mar 29, 2008

2.15 STR PRET A PORTER

2.45 STR ON Y VA

2.55 NBY HELEN WOOD
2.55 NBY STRAWBERRY
2.55 NBY LA DAME BRUNE
2.55 NBY TRUCKERS LADY
2.55 NBY SYMBIOSIS

3.25 NBY OVERBRANCH
3.25 NBY PURE GENIUS
3.25 NBY SENORA SNOOPY

3.50 STR COLINETTE

3.55 NBY FIRST POINT

4.20 STR HEART SPRINGS

4.30 NBY AVEC MOI CE SOIR

4.40 BAN MONOLITH

4.55 STR NEW AMBITIONS

5.10 BAN ART VIRGINIA

22 L / 5 W
Profit/Loss: -8.5 :ermmm

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BANG!!!!!

That was the sound of the gun going off just as the 12/1 Lay HEART SPRINGS won which I managed to hit at 10.0 :splapme

Story of the last 3 weeks for me :headbange

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Pro-Losers Mar 30, 2008

2.10 HEX HARPS COUNSEL
2.10 HEX BONNETA

2.20 WNC KILMEENA MAGIC

3.40 KEM RUAIRI

4.45 KEM SYCHO FRED
4.45 KEM TREASULIER
4.45 KEM PERANGE

5.05 WNC XILA FONTENAILLES

23 L / 6 W
Profit/Loss: -13.5

I'm turning into Vegy :yikes:

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Pro-Losers Mar 31, 2008

2.50 WNC BROUGHTON GREEN
2.50 WNC FORTIFICATION
2.50 WNC KAYF ARAMIS

3.20 WNC DILLAY BROOK
3.20 WNC RODDY THE VET

24 L / 6 W
Profit/Loss: -12.5

[John]

I should stop backing these before I get carried away with all the money I'm making. :D

[Win2Win]

I should stop backing these before I get carried away with all the money I'm making. :D
It's not as bad as it looks, I included the 9.0 winner, but that was placed am as I was going out, and forgot to cancel it, so it was well over 10.5 by midday. :ermmm

But I don't want to be accused of being a Mugabe so put it in the results :thumbs

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Pro-Losers Apr 01, 2008

2.10 WET LITTLE LILY MORGAN
2.10 WET QUEEN OF DIAMONDS

2.20 FOL JUST THE LADY


2.40 WET BRADDOCK ISLAND

3.15 WET KARATHAENA

4.25 WET FINE PARCHMENT

4.55 WET DESERT STAG

25 L / 6 W
Profit/Loss: -11.5

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Pro-Losers Apr 02, 2008

2.20 CAT MUJINDA

3.40 NOT GULL WING


Pro-Losers Apr 01, 2008

2.10 WET LITTLE LILY MORGAN
2.10 WET QUEEN OF DIAMONDS

2.20 FOL JUST THE LADY


2.40 WET BRADDOCK ISLAND

3.15 WET KARATHAENA

4.25 WET FINE PARCHMENT

4.55 WET DESERT STAG

25 L / 7 W
Profit/Loss: -18.9

[John]

Well as long as they continue to make a profit long term, the short term is irrelevant. :)

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What do they say about digging a hole? :D

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Pro-Losers Apr 03, 2008

2.45 LEI STONEACRE MA

2.55 TAU PROUD PEER

3.30 TAU CAHEERLOCH

4.20 AIN BAMBI DE L'ORME

4.55 AIN WHITEOAK

5.15 TAU CHESNUT ANNIE

5.30 AIN TROUBLE AT BAY
5.30 AIN ANNIE'S ANSWER

6.50 KEA FIRESPIN

27 L / 8 W
Profit/Loss: -18.2

[John]

Erm... Never dig further than your arms can reach? :doh

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Well I've started so I'll finish......probably in Australia :lickme

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Pro-Losers Apr 04, 2008

4.55 AIN MISTER TOP NOTCH

5.30 AIN WYCHWOODS LEGEND
5.30 AIN SALLIE'S SECRET
5.30 AIN CALUSA CRYSTAL
5.30 AIN MOORLANDS TERI
5.30 AIN ROMANCE DANCE
5.30 AIN CAROLE'S LEGACY

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What a load of crap, so much for bringing the oldies back to life. And yet the stats all checked out good uptil the New Year. :ermmm

Mind you, with the SR of Favs way down in the first 3 months of this year, that means it distorts everything.

Back tomorrow with new virginal Pro-Losers concentrating on shorter priced horses, as it appears now that is the profitable area.

[John]

Keith, remember, long term! None of this "this week I lost 39p on Ladbrokes balls" business! :D

[Win2Win]

But these were 'reseurrected' from early decade systems, but obviously the underlying flaw is still there, and I haven't figured out what it is, so if I don't know why something is not working, I do not use real money.

Whereas, the new ones will be based on recent changes to racing over the last 4 years, although the first 3 months of this shows that it still hasn't settled down yet.

It's much harder finding a laying edge these days, but they are still there, the MAX Lays prove that.