Horse Racing's Oscars

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Can't find the Sadler's Wells thread - he's the sire of Oscar - these are, according to the Racing Post Ratings, his best runners over the jumps to date.

HORSE DAM'S SIRE WINS PLACES RUNS RPR

Big Zeb Deep Run 10 9 24 175

Black Jack Ketchum Supreme Leader 9 2 14 164

Oscar Whisky Phardante 6 0 7 163

Peddlers Cross Squill 6 0 6 163

Silent Oscar Random Shot 5 3 16 159

Offshore Account Strong Gale 5 9 31 156

Oscar Dan Dan Phardante 6 6 25 156

Casey Jones Over The River 6 7 21 155

Arteea Electric 6 7 30 154

Razor Royale Strong Gale 5 4 22 154

After yesterday at Leopardstown there is no doubt in my mind that my ratings are more accurate than the RP's - last week I gave Oscar Whisky a 175 - today I have given Oscar Well a 177.

He's only going for the Neptune so must be considered the Irish Banker of this year's Cheltenham Festival (though buddy N Mordin not impressed & still goes for Zaidpour).

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Like waiting for a bus!

But I couldn't help but chuckle when I saw the RP had awarded Lios A Choill (IRE) (don't be surprised if he runs well in the first at Cheltenham 2011!) a massive 122 topspeed figure yesterday which meant all those winners with official ratings were going to earn lower but anyway - he didn't manage to win but well clear of the third at Navan, Jetson, by Oscar with Phardante(Fr) as damsire too), just got a 168 from me and is a future addition to the above list which I will editly tidy up pretty soon....

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According to Nick Mordin in this week's Weekender, only two horses pass all 13 statistical tests for this year's Grand National - Bluesea Cracker & Oscar Time - & the latter is the only one worth backing.

That's most unlike him, normally he'll give about 5 horses & suggest doing forecasts.

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Old Mordin fancies Rock On Ruby for the Champion Hurdle but gives his sire a bit of a write-up this month:

"Rock On Ruby's sire, Oscar, is renowned as a producer of three mile chasers. But if you look at the Champion Hurdle betting you'll find that four of the twenty horses listed at 33-1 or less are offspring of Oscar (Peddler's Cross, Oscar Whisky, Oscars Well and Rock On Ruby).

It strikes me that Oscar has still not had that many years as a jumps stallion to make definite statements about the preferences of his progeny. It could well be that in time they'll be seen as more likely to do well in short hurdles.

This season the big objective for Rock On Ruby is the Aintree Hurdle over two and a half miles. That seems sensible but the trouble is it comes only a few weeks after Cheltenham. So unless Rock On Ruby is kept out of the Champion Hurdle (which at this stage looks unlikely) he may well not be fresh enough to produce his best at Aintree. This was certainly the case last year when he got beat over twenty lengths in a Grade 2 at Aintree 24 days after losing the Grade 1 Neptune by only a short head at Cheltenham."

http://www.nickmordin.com/uk.htm

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Crikey, I think Mr Mordin is losing it - what with the above, Rock On Ruby, Mikael D'Haguenet a few weeks ago & now Oscar Whisky [Ladbrokes are going 10/s while 20/s still about], who doesn't he fancy for the Champion Hurdle? [Binocular for a start]

& now Tom Segal puts up Oscars Well & is this mornings Eye Catcher from Oddschecker.

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing-betting/ante-post-racing/cheltenham-festival/champion-hurdle

Personally, I quite fancy Oscar Whisky to do a Punjabi but he might go for the World Hurdle yet ? ?

Is there anyone bar Ladbrokes doing NR No Bet?

[Win2Win]

I imagine we still have a few more to throw into the pot over the coming weeks :smile:

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Old Mordin fancies Rock On Ruby for the Champion Hurdle but gives his sire a bit of a write-up this month:

"Rock On Ruby's sire, Oscar, is renowned as a producer of three mile chasers. But if you look at the Champion Hurdle betting you'll find that four of the twenty horses listed at 33-1 or less are offspring of Oscar (Peddler's Cross, Oscar Whisky, Oscars Well and Rock On Ruby).

It strikes me that Oscar has still not had that many years as a jumps stallion to make definite statements about the preferences of his progeny. It could well be that in time they'll be seen as more likely to do well in short hurdles.

This season the big objective for Rock On Ruby is the Aintree Hurdle over two and a half miles. That seems sensible but the trouble is it comes only a few weeks after Cheltenham. So unless Rock On Ruby is kept out of the Champion Hurdle (which at this stage looks unlikely) he may well not be fresh enough to produce his best at Aintree. This was certainly the case last year when he got beat over twenty lengths in a Grade 2 at Aintree 24 days after losing the Grade 1 Neptune by only a short head at Cheltenham."

http://www.nickmordin.com/uk.htm

A very tactically astute training performance by Paul Nicholls me thinks in having Rock On Ruby win the Champion Hurdle -

[In the end Mord's went for Hurricane Fly as he like me gave him a girt speed figure from Leopardstown & perhaps he had too hard a race & wasn't fresh enough for the Champion but] -

But as to Oscar's preferences, he had two winners at the festival, the aforementioned Rock On Ruby in a 2m hurdle & Teaforthree in the 4m chase which leaves us pretty much none the wiser but the difference between them I feel lies in the dam-sire. Rock On Ruby has Tirol, a bit of a rarity by all accounts which makes him more of a flat-bred & probably why Mordin would think Aintree would suit better - Teaforthree has Strong Gale [one of the best for Cheltenham] on his dam's side which makes him your more traditional staying chaser type.

Ah, just looked up & ROR is most definitely a rare one as the majority of Oscar's prize-money comes with your traditional jump bred's:

DAM'S SIRE WNRS - RNRS WINS - RUNS £ WIN PRIZE £ TOTAL PRIZE

http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/stallionbook/stallion.sd?horse_id=462135&popup=1

Strong Gale 22-38 58% 61-499 12% 548,620 777,989
Supreme Leader 25-78 32% 56-602 9% 600,763 1,040,085
Phardante 19-37 51% 55-411 13% 480,329 676,407
Deep Run 10-30 33% 42-281 15% 777,967 1,079,972
Be My Native 19-50 38% 35-396 9% 230,767 332,907
Mandalus 9-20 45% 31-260 12% 371,234 568,441
Buckskin 6-19 32% 22-208 11% 167,705 214,092
Orchestra 7-14 50% 20-162 12% 148,052 196,784
The Parson 6-12 50% 18-138 13% 189,771 230,904
King´s Ride 8-16 50% 17-197 9% 105,780 162,246
Electric 4-10 40% 17-164 10% 185,617 263,405
Roselier 6-24 25% 14-156 9% 36,656 67,771
Good Thyne 8-12 67% 13-113 12% 57,482 100,074
Torus 6-12 50% 13-108 12% 65,909 100,009
Satco 4-6 67% 13-89 15% 85,332 111,576
Over The River 3-12 25% 12-86 14% 155,351 200,632
Executive Perk 5-18 28% 11-151 7% 46,108 70,449
Le Moss 5-10 50% 11-55 20% 75,476 92,024

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Old Mordin fancies Rock On Ruby for the Champion Hurdle but gives his sire a bit of a write-up this month:

"Rock On Ruby's sire, Oscar, is renowned as a producer of three mile chasers. But if you look at the Champion Hurdle betting you'll find that four of the twenty horses listed at 33-1 or less are offspring of Oscar (Peddler's Cross, Oscar Whisky, Oscars Well and Rock On Ruby).

It strikes me that Oscar has still not had that many years as a jumps stallion to make definite statements about the preferences of his progeny. It could well be that in time they'll be seen as more likely to do well in short hurdles.

This season the big objective for Rock On Ruby is the Aintree Hurdle over two and a half miles. That seems sensible but the trouble is it comes only a few weeks after Cheltenham. So unless Rock On Ruby is kept out of the Champion Hurdle (which at this stage looks unlikely) he may well not be fresh enough to produce his best at Aintree. This was certainly the case last year when he got beat over twenty lengths in a Grade 2 at Aintree 24 days after losing the Grade 1 Neptune by only a short head at Cheltenham."

http://www.nickmordin.com/uk.htm

A very tactically astute training performance by Paul Nicholls me thinks in having Rock On Ruby win the Champion Hurdle -

[In the end Mord's went for Hurricane Fly as he like me gave him a girt speed figure from Leopardstown & perhaps he had too hard a race & wasn't fresh enough for the Champion but] -

But as to Oscar's preferences, he had two winners at the festival, the aforementioned Rock On Ruby in a 2m hurdle & Teaforthree in the 4m chase which leaves us pretty much none the wiser but the difference between them I feel lies in the dam-sire. Rock On Ruby has Tirol, a bit of a rarity by all accounts which makes him more of a flat-bred & probably why Mordin would think Aintree would suit better - Teaforthree has Strong Gale [one of the best for Cheltenham] on his dam's side which makes him your more traditional staying chaser type.

Ah, just looked up & ROR is most definitely a rare one as the majority of Oscar's prize-money comes with your traditional jump bred's:

DAM'S SIRE WNRS - RNRS WINS - RUNS £ WIN PRIZE £ TOTAL PRIZE

http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/stallionbook/stallion.sd?horse_id=462135&popup=1

Strong Gale 22-38 58% 61-499 12% 548,620 777,989
Supreme Leader 25-78 32% 56-602 9% 600,763 1,040,085
Phardante 19-37 51% 55-411 13% 480,329 676,407
Deep Run 10-30 33% 42-281 15% 777,967 1,079,972
Be My Native 19-50 38% 35-396 9% 230,767 332,907
Mandalus 9-20 45% 31-260 12% 371,234 568,441
Buckskin 6-19 32% 22-208 11% 167,705 214,092
Orchestra 7-14 50% 20-162 12% 148,052 196,784
The Parson 6-12 50% 18-138 13% 189,771 230,904
King´s Ride 8-16 50% 17-197 9% 105,780 162,246
Electric 4-10 40% 17-164 10% 185,617 263,405
Roselier 6-24 25% 14-156 9% 36,656 67,771
Good Thyne 8-12 67% 13-113 12% 57,482 100,074
Torus 6-12 50% 13-108 12% 65,909 100,009
Satco 4-6 67% 13-89 15% 85,332 111,576
Over The River 3-12 25% 12-86 14% 155,351 200,632
Executive Perk 5-18 28% 11-151 7% 46,108 70,449
Le Moss 5-10 50% 11-55 20% 75,476 92,024

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Here's one & this just could be a pointer to Sir Des Champs for the Gold Cup -

Wasn't too sure where to post [as he had broken a course record last time he ran 2 years ago?] but this'll do

Nov 24th 2012 – shy

3:20 - Carey Group Handicap Chase

XoM PB 167+ 6R C2 [0.18spf 29lb clr o Captain Chris] WW HU gd p 665dys 17shy Asc Nov 12 - 134me PB (std +0.50s)(0.9s off 8yo) Crse Rec 25dys 16ggf Leic Nov 10 -

2m1f, Class 2, £30,998.33

1 William's Wishes 7/1
2 Champion Court 9/4F
3 Toubab 7/2
7 ran Distances: 6l, 17l, 5l

TIME 4m 22.10s (slow by 18.10s)

Jockey: Paul Moloney
Trainer: Evan Williams


Old Oscar Whisky did the honours @ Ascot yesterday but he was well up-staged on the clock & this ere William's Wishes could well be featuring on the below RP list for Oscar offspring:

HORSE DAM'S SIRE WINS PLACES RUNS £ PRIZE RPR

http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/stallionbook/stallion.sd?horse_id=462135&popup=1

Big Zeb Deep Run 13 14 32 811,297 175
Rock On Ruby Tirol 6 5 12 302,905 171
Peddlers Cross Squill 9 2 13 274,476 170
Oscar Whisky Phardante 12 1 16 369,469 167
Black Jack Ketchum Supreme Leader 9 2 14 202,708 164
Oscars Well Convinced 4 6 16 158,493 164
Silent Oscar Random Shot 5 3 16 118,231 159
Offshore Account Strong Gale 6 11 37 102,650 156
Oscar Dan Dan Phardante 7 8 33 176,820 156
Oscar Time Supreme Leader 4 17 30 396,172 156